Navigate to nearest point on route vs navigate to start / Circular Routes
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I just got the Karoo 2 and am looking forward to my first ride.
Going through the options, I noticed a few things that are missing:
1. When you start a new route, you are always navigated to the starting point. However, I think you should be given the choice to start at the nearest point on the route.
This is especially handy when people share routes and people join in different places.
2. For circular routes, this should also be interesting (maybe with the addition of a circular route option that lets you change the start and end point on a circular route).
3. Similarly, when you go off track on a bike route, the navigation engine sends you back to the nearest point. However I think you should also get the choice to go back to where you left the track and continue from there.
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@bluppfisk - Thanks for your input here. Anything that can help improve the Karoo 2 for our users, is greatly appreciated.
1. It never came up from any other users as of now, and navigate to start was always the valuable request before we added it. But I see your use case here, and I think it could really be useful. But I would l like to understand if 'Navigate to a POI' is something that is more valuable.
2. You can do this by "Reversing a route" on the Dashboard, easily accessible over the phone. This is not currently planned for the Karoo 2 though.
3. I like the idea, and we do have some additional improvement related to routing planned for upcoming releases this year and I will go ahead and submit this request of yours.
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I second this request. I’ll give you an example,.
Last year I did a 15 day mtb ride across Spain following a gpx track given to me by another rider. It was one long track not staged per day. So each day I would ask my Garmin to follow this track and it would ask it I wanted to route to the start or continue from my current location. Obviously I wanted to continue from my current point as I was 100’s of miles from the start after a few days. so routing from the start only would make the Karoo impossible to use.
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Ali, thanks for your response. I came to Hammerhead for the community and I can already feel that I will not be disappointed :)
For point 2, I'm afraid I expressed myself poorly. I didn't mean reversing the circular route but rather being able to jump in at any point on it, while still completing the whole circle. So if the circle is from A > B > C > D > A, I would want to jump on at C and then do D > A > B > C.
Point 1 is closely related to this. Say a friend shares a route from A via B and C to D, but I live at point B. I may not want to cycle to point A to start, but instead I want to start at B and continue on to C and D. Currently the software only allows me to start at A.
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Thanks, bluppfisk . It really helps a lot to get an understanding.
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I've actually noticed that it does a pretty good job of following a route regardless of where I join it. So potentially I can do what you suggested, Denny: load the route, long-press on a point on it where I want to join it as if navigating to a POI, then let it resume the route.
This does feel a bit hacky, however, compared to a proper "navigate to nearest point on the route" or "navigate to start", and still means that you have to load a circular route twice if you join it somewhere else than its starting point. Will actually ride one next week and post my findings.
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bluppfisk - we consider the comments and thread from forum important to raise any improvement request. This has been shared with the team.
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I think there is a more general issue with POI binding when rerouting. The intermediate points I use on Komoot seem to be somehow special and whenever I go off route near one of them, I get rerouted to routes that try to bring me to that intermediate point rather than simply continue with the route until I’m way past that point. I get the feeling that there is an assuption that such points are places I intend to visit rather than just random spots I have used to make the route go a certain way.
And as for routing you to the starting point, the other day was joining the planned route at a T intersection where I could turn right to go on with the route or turn left to go towards the starting point, and I noticed that even in that turn the reroute wanted me to turn left.
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I recently started using a Karoo 2, but I must confess that this "impossible usage of closed loops" or routes generated by others (so they are logically starting from another piont in closed loops) is really disappointing.
I am really thinking of sending the K2 back, as other options on the market are way easier to use (they are simply recognizing that you are on route - the K2 permanently wants to send me back to start even though I am on a selected route - this is really not up to date).
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I am also chiming in on the route to nearest point of route option. I download a lot of routes created by others on RideWithGPS. I don’t always want to start the ride at the same starting point the route creator started, but I like the option to go to the start in case this is an event or something similar.
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Once I’m actually on the route and following it, I don’t get unnecessary rerouting with routes downloaded from Komoot either. Rerouting starts again only if I go off route once more.
For starting a route in a different place than the original one, I find that dropping a pin in the place where you want to join the route (or a bit beyond it) is the least distracting option at the moment. The real problem are mid-route deviations because of road works or such where the planned route is unavailable (and map does not fully correspond to reality either) and you mainly just have to follow the road signs in the right general direction until you can find a way rejoin the route. The relevant problem there is that if an intermediate point happens to be nearby, the reroute wants to get me there for quite a while rather than continue where I’m actually heading.
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I wish to bring up this annoying problem again.
Why does Hammerhead fail to offer a software solution, where other GPS manufacturers DO succeed? The solution offered by Hammerhead for navigating an existing route to a certain point is far too complicated for the user. It should be the case that when entering a route the user is immediately given the choice:
1. Depart from start.
2. Depart from the nearest point of the route
It has been more than 2 years that the problem has been raised here by several users and still there is no solution.
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This was supposed to be addressed in the latest update but it did not look like that to me yesterday:
Ok, that one may still have been a marginal case at this point, and anyway here I added a pin mainly to get rid of all the rerouting. Eeexcept that I placed the pin in the wrong intersection and wasn't in the mood for awful cobbles, so I cleared the pin route for the last km or two of my improvised route and then kept getting these all the way to the end, telling me to follow every single tractor track on the map instead of the fresh asphalt I was on:
Oh, and of course with a disable rerouting option I could have been able to just do that instead... The auto map function really highlights these problems when you basically can’t see the normal map at all when you and the computer machine disagree about the proper route and there are potential new routes once every 100–200 metres.
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Has this feature request been implemented? Specifically, these previous requests perfectly address what I am looking for..
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1- Last year I did a 15 day mtb ride across Spain following a gpx track given to me by another rider. It was one long track not staged per day. So each day I would ask my Garmin to follow this track and it would ask it I wanted to route to the start or continue from my current location. Obviously I wanted to continue from my current point as I was 100’s of miles from the start after a few days. so routing from the start only would make the Karoo impossible to use.
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2- Ali, thanks for your response. I came to Hammerhead for the community and I can already feel that I will not be disappointed :)
For point 2, I'm afraid I expressed myself poorly. I didn't mean reversing the circular route but rather being able to jump in at any point on it, while still completing the whole circle. So if the circle is from A > B > C > D > A, I would want to jump on at C and then do D > A > B > C.
Point 1 is closely related to this. Say a friend shares a route from A via B and C to D, but I live at point B. I may not want to cycle to point A to start, but instead I want to start at B and continue on to C and D. Currently the software only allows me to start at A.
If this feature request has been implemented, how do I join a route at any point along it?
thanks!
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Mark, joining a route in the middle has never been much of an issue, once you actually are on the route. In some situations it may take a moment until the unit believes you are on the route (more so if the route line is imprecise or the GPS is slightly off) but in the end it has always worked for me. This way you can also do a circular route starting at any point, the only thing is that you have to remove the route when you reach the original end point and then reload the route for the rest of the ride. (Still, handling circular routes more smartly would be helpful, especially when doing multiple laps of the same route.)
What doesn’t work so well is getting on the route from somewhere else. At least now it no longer keeps on routing you to the starting point all the way until you are on the route itself, but it still doesn’t work quite optimally. Doing it manually by dropping a pin at the point where you want to join the route (with the original route still active) and following that route until you’re there works well enough at least for me.
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New user here, had a problem with this.
Today I caught a shoulder lip when rotating to the rear during a fast segment, and there was no catching up to the peloton on my single speed in the wind. I had loaded the route at home but it disappeared once I arrived at the start. I stopped, re-loaded the route, but it annoyingly kept trying to navigate me back to the start even though I was already 20% into the route. I eventually gave up. What’s the trick?
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