HH please update Strava Live Segments!
Almost everyone is complaining months now about the completely unreadable Strava Live Segments: icons are much too small also on the map, fonts are too small, fonts should be white on orange instead of black on orange, too much information on the screen, unreadable distance for example -.64 instead of 640 meters, two yellow dots which are useless and so on. Please HH listen to your users and make it readable. At the moment it’s completely useless when biking, especially when mountainbiking. You have to see at a glance if you're below or above your PR and you can't see it at the moment.
Also when you're finished I don't want to see the total time; the only important thing to see is how many seconds I am faster or slower.
Please take a look how the Strava app handles this, you can see in a fraction of a second if you're above or below your PR, how easy can it be?
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I disagree. I like the new update to segments, especially now that i found, you see the carrot, wolf, PR and KOM (which ever is compared to) on the map as you go. It makes it more competitive to me, and i imagine how far in front or behind i am.
I like that you now can swipe up to see who you are competing against.
I agree it could be better, but cutting all info like the strava image you show, would be a fairly huge step back and lacking creativity in my opinion. -
Hi Nicolai,
I don 't want cutting of everything just like Strava does, I just want to show that you can see at a glance with the Strava app if you're in front of behind your PR and that's what's really impossible with the Karoo at the moment.
Like the SLS is now on the Karoo is really unusable, completely NOT readable when you're (mountain)biking. People are complaining already now about the small data fields like speed and so on, but these icons and fonts are much more smaller so it really has to clean up and make it much better readable. For instance why are there three yellow dots??? They can be removed and so on...
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There are THREE yellow dots, you can see at the vertical line where you are; the left side of the line is yellow and that's what you have done. So the yellow dot in the vertical line is completely useless. Also the yellow dot with the text "You" at the bottom is useless.
But I guess you are not a mountainbiker, on the road it will be a little easier to read because you have more time to look at the Karoo. I wrote in the first message that it's hard to read/unreadable for mountainbikers.
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I guess the one thing that confuses me at a glance is the small indicator which says that I'm either a few seconds behind or ahead of my personal best. My recollection from yesterday's ride is that it had a right arrow and 0:02. But from looking at that I don't see how anyone would be able to tell if a right arrow means ahead of or behind. Sure, I can then look up from that to the yellow dot and the white badge to see where I'm at, but I kind of think that it should be easy to tell just from looking at the number.
Maybe in addition to an arrow there should be some color coding? Green to show when you're ahead of your PB, and a red indicator to show you're behind your PB? I know there's also color-blind considerations as well so two separate symbols still makes sense, but I feel like there has to be a more clear way to do this than what it shows now.
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I agree that Strava Live Segments are too hard to read. I'm 52, so reading any of the small fonts on the Karoo is difficult (heart rate zone percentages are comically small!). I really like all the info presented (mainly PR, most recent, best recent -- I don't care about my friend's PR's when I'm riding). I just wish the fonts were a bit bigger so that I could decipher them better.
The other change I'd really like to see is a setting so that the SLS drawer doesn't automatically open every time I hit a segment. Nine out of ten times that I ride I'm not going all out, so I don't care at all about SLS. It'd be nice to turn off the drawer auto pop-up so that I'm not always swiping them down.
In general, I love the way the drawers work. Although it'd also be nice if the white phone notification drawer didn't show up when there are no notifications, instead of always being there.
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Complete agreed. I was competing on a gravel bike segment and I could not read anything useful. Please hire a UI designer who understands that a Karoo at the distance from your eyes to your out front mount while bouncing around with sunglasses on, and sun glare is different than blown up on a retina macbook screen in your office.
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Completely agree that Strava Live is not presented well at all in the Karoo 2
im 65 and recently purchased a Karoo 2 - main reason s being screen size Anne the great clarity. Most pages for profiles are great and the list of features is phenomenal
HOWEVER! A way for myself to improve a measure my improvement is using my Strava segments as I’m sure others do as well. At this point there is just too much information being presented on thee screeen when on a segment. Sure if I had a 1/4 mile to look down and read all the info it’s great but realistically I’m on a segment and lookinbg down band trying to see thee info is quite dangerous
‘Strava Live/Segments really needs its own data pages that would be configurable as the user sees fit and would be part of their profiles . Great info but too much trouble to read and configured thee way it is now Hammerhead needs to take advantage of their product ands it’s screeen size and color rich pallet
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Completely agree with the Strava Segments page being unusable for me. There are 3 reasons why my Hammerhead has now been relegated (sadly, because I like pretty much everything else about it) and my Garmin is back on my bikes. Some will be relevant for other HH users and some won't.
Reason 1 - I do a fair bit of mountain biking, and that screen is impossible to use on anything other than a smooth and slow segment (like a smooth uphill). On anything else it is impossible to see any of the details I would care about when doing a segment (time ahead/behind and maybe distance ahead/behind). The trails I ride can be very technical and pretty bumpy and anything other than a quick glance at the screen could end in tears. I just need to know if I'm ahead or behind and by how much. Garmin has exactly this info as a data field, and to make it even easier, it is colour coded. If I'm ahead its green and if I'm behind it is red. It takes the quickest glance to see how I'm tracking.
Reason 2 - When I am doing road segments, in most cases I find the screen pretty useless. The exception is if I'm doing longer segments (anything over about 2 mins) where I am not at max power efforts, and can afford to spend a second or two looking at the screen. Mostly I choose shorter, high intensity segments to challenge myself against - 30 seconds to about 2 minutes. I end up having to look at the screen for a few second and then think about what each dot (me, KOM, wolf) means. I have to spend a couple of seconds working out what is represented in the graphs and this isn't ideal at all on shorter segments. The field at the bottom of the screen does seem to have the time difference between the YOU, KOM, PR, etc, but it is way too small. All I want to see is the difference between me and whatever I have decided to race against - it's all I have time, and brain capacity, for when at low oxygen moments :). Garmin allows you to select who your "opponent" (KOM/PR/RIVAL) is as a menu item and then shows you the time/distance differential as a data field. This data field is all I am after. I know it is available, because it appears in that bottom part of the existing screen, I just want it to also be a selectable data field for Strava segments.
Reason 3 - my eyes are not what they used to be. I don't wear glasses, so they are not bad, but I struggle to see the fields when I am riding hard, they are just too small to read quickly. I have never had an issue with not being able to read the Garmin data fields.
I bought the HH as a training tool, to replace my Garmin. I wanted the larger screen than my 520 has and liked the progressive approach to software releases that HH has. However, it just doesn't work for some of the training I do, specifically anything to do with Strava segments - for the rest it is great! Unfortunately, for me this is enough reason to have to stop using my HH and go back to my Garmin, especially on high intensity training days where segments are the motivation to push that little harder.
I am not asking you to remove the current Strava screen, I'm sure it's good for many people. I just want the option to not use that screen, with graphs and other info. and create my own screen with only the data fields I want. Like I said, this can't be hard to do given you already have all the data I'm after.
Please HH, can you add these as data fields, or let me know you never will so I can sell my HH to someone who doesn't have the same requirements as I do.
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Mark O’Hare
BEST EXPLANATION EVER about the Strava Screen!
Love the Karoo 2 however I also measure myself against my segments and after this weekend of riding and trying to figure out what’s what- and this is after I went thru ALL my segments and set every single one to only me and my PR- still- pretty much useless unless I want to stare at the screen while I’m riding on the road USELESS
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Calling on HH to Add Strava Live as a separate option within a profile. The Strava segments page is ridiculously small and useless unless you want to stare at it and risk serious injuries. Trying to break your own PR? Never gonna happen on a Karoo because the ICONS ARE TOO SMALL!! HH offer it to add within a profile!!!
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