hammerhead karoo does not detect ant+ sensors (Garmin cadence and speed sensors)

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    Ali

    Hi Octavio, few things you can test for us to isolate the problem are

    1. Is the battery on the sensors Okay or new?

    2. Is Karoo 2 able to detect any other ANT+ sensors?

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    Octavio Ocampo

    Hi Ali, thanks for your answer. I already try follow:

    1. The battery of my sensors are oks.

    2. Those sensors do not have sync with other GPS device (I have a Garmin Fenix 5 plus, and I am able to sync them without problem).

    3. I have NOT this issue with Bluetooth devices (I have one Garmin HRM and I am able to sync with my Karoo.

    4. I already try the Hard-Reset, and does not works

    I really appreciate your support

    Regards

    Octavio

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    Ali

    Does your Garmin HRM connect over the ANT+?

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    Octavio Ocampo

    No, the GARMIN HRM is connected over Bluethooth.

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    Ali

    Octavio, sorry for not being clear. I meant to ask does it support ANT+? Can you please share the model of the Speed, Cadence and HRM?

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    Octavio Ocampo

    Ali, the data for different sensor es as follow:

    Cadence Sensor data:

    • Name: Garmin Cadence sensor
    • Tech: ANT +
    • Model #: 10
    • SW ver: 2.10
    • Serial Number: 4476960

    Speed sensor data:

    • Name: Garmin Speed sensor
    • Tech: ANT+
    • Model #: 9
    • Serial #: 8768780
    • SW version: 2.30

    In the case of the HRM the model is "Garmin HRM dual"

    Thanks

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    Ali

    Hi Octavio, It looks like the Garmin HRM should pair over the ANT+. Can you check if you can pair them over the ANT+ on Karoo 2?

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    Octavio Ocampo

    Hi Ali,

    Two things, first ,I have Karoo 1; second, my Garmin HRM is paring over Bluethooth on my Karoo 1.

    Regards

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    Ali

    Thanks, Octavio. What I want to do is to isolate the problem with your unit and see if it is the ANT+ sensor on Karoo 1 or the software that is stopping us from the connection. I have created a ticket in this regards, please follow up with me on it.

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    Vicente Reig Rincón de Arellano

    Hey guys, 

    I'm chiming in after being bitten by the same issue in Karoo 1. I'm on latest build as of today: 1.200.1016.3. Hopefully it is helpful to future readers and the dev team.

    I've got a combination of Bluetooth (HRM) and ANT+ sensors (speed, cadence). I could add the HRM swiftly, but the device wasn't able to find the ANT+ sensors (changed batteries just in case as well). I was able to get it to recognize the sensors by following these steps:

    1. Disabling the Bluetooth sensors in the Sensors screen.
    2. Waiting less than a minute.
    3. The ANT+ sensors start showing up.
    4. Added them successfully.
    5. Reenabled Bluetooth to get them all working again.
    6. I'm ready to go.

    On a side note, I understand the OS is going through a lot of change and some problems are expected as usual. Moreover, now that there's a second-generation device to support. I'm sure the product and engineering challenges have grown exponentially. I happily chose Karoo Hammerhead a couple of years ago. To be honest: it is the most robust and reliable cycling computer I've tried over the last 10 years. 

    However, the last few updates have introduced some incidents. Losing one day's ride day data in the middle of a 5-day bikepacking trip. Or the one that brought me to this thread, which surfaced after hard resetting the device.

    I remember when using my Garmin 810/820 that I'd try to defer and avoid updates at all costs, just to keep the thing from crashing on rides. Karoo 1 is not anywhere close to that situation. I must admit that with these last couple of incidents I asked myself whether this is where Hammerhead is heading.

    Reliability is what made me switch to Karoo. I know I can go a 5-day ride in the middle of nowhere and it will perform as expected.

    Keep it up. I love it. 

    Cheers, Vicente.

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    Zoltán Fodor

    Hi!

    I had a similar problem after doing a factory reset. None of my sensors were found by Karoo 1. It worked a bit different for me than for Vicente. 

    I have disabled ANT+, and my sensors showed up on BT (they are BT capable as well). I paired them on BT, and then they started to show up on ANT+. I did the pairing for this as well and then unpaired the BT connections. They stayed connected on ANT+ after that. 

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    ryan farr

    Another problem to a long list of problems with this device. Last 3 rides unable to connect to power and cadence sensors, at one moment during my last right i stopped recording the ride, tried again to connect and all kinds of sensors popped up and was able to connect. Just this morning trying to connect to heart rate sensor no go. Watch and phone connect to heart rate monitor but not the karoo 2 over BT. So I toggle ant+ and BT on and off trying to get this thing to work. I finally get some ant+ sensors to show but not my actual power and cadence device. Finally the heart rate monitor shows up randomly. Never did get the sensor to connect to my power and cadence which is all in one. Never have I had so many problems with a device. Never any real help online. Again I believe the Karoo 2 product has potential but they just can't seem to get it together. You'd think they would say "we are sorry we have had many issues with this device, we are working hard to iron out the bugs." That would be far more helpful than, the standard reply of, "did you turn off and on the product, this you do a factory reset, did you toggle the BT and ant+ sliders?" Honestly guys. Lets get this thing sorted. 

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    Mark Ingwersen

    I'm also having trouble connecting Garmin speed & cadence sensors via Ant+. They work fine with my Garmin 520 but do not show up on Karoo2, even after latest update. The sensors are on the Karoo "approved" list. What's the fix?

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    Tom Wetterwald

    Are there any updates on the connectivity of the HEART Rate broadcast issue yet?

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    Octavio Ocampo

    Looks like is a hardware issu

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    Mark Ingwersen

    A hardware issue with the Karoo2?

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    Octavio Ocampo

    Karoo1

     

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    Rob

    Same issue here: Garmin Fenix 5s Plus not connecting over ANT+ with Karoo 1. 

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    Tom Wetterwald

    Hi Rob - thanks for the update, I presume it's the same issue with the Heart Rate Broadcast function using bluetooth, correct? I have a KAROO 1 and it worked fine until about 2 months ago...

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    Rob

    Spot on Tom. Indeed the HR broadcasting function. 

    Good to know it can work. The update released just now doesn't seem to fix this unfortunately though. 

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    Tom Wetterwald

    Well there is the bright side, it worked and we are apparently not the only ones, hope that the development team can issue a bugfix on the matter soon, have been asking around again for a solution, let's keep the pressure on for a solution. Take care!

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    Patrik Berglin

    Same issue worked until 2 months ago, submitted support ticket. 

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    Tom Wetterwald

    Update from my ticket...

     

    Hi Tom,
    Thanks for your patience.
    I have had multiple members in my team check this with their Garmin watches and we found all of them to be working flawlessly to transmit HR data to the Karoo. Please let us know if you have any further questions.

    Best Regards,
    Franklin, Hammerhead

    Then they have wonder GARMIN watches ;-9 will push back, that does not help much, does it...

     

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    Rob

    My ticket

    "We had upgraded our ANT+ connection on our units for the better and reliable connection. We have seen lots of users who were trying to use their smart watches to broadcast HR to the Karoo, which worked intermittently but not 100%.

    The full set of smartwatch compatibility will be tested and released in the future updates. I hope you understand."

    (...)

    "The Karoo does not have the capability to connect to all the smartwatches right now. Garmin Fenix series isn't known to connect, but a few from Forerunner series watches do connect on the Karoo. The full set of smartwatch compatibility will be released in the future versions of the software and it is not in immediate plans right now."

    Apparently HH is aware of the issue, its root cause and the fact that its a large group of users would like to use this function. If this is really a hardware issue, I would expect a recall. However, I get the feeling its more like a software issue. 

    As ryan farr already mentioned: let's get this sorted! Perhaps HH can tell us what they are doing about this and the expected time frame? 

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    Rob

    Tried to connect a brand new Magene S3 cadence/speed sensor. Unfortunately this did not work over ANT+. The Bluetooth connection seems to be working with this sensor though. 

    This could be an indication that ANT+ in Karoo 1 in general is not working, and not just with specific Garmin branded products/watches. 

    I assume these issues are still relevant for the other users here as well. 

    Dear Ali, would you happen to have an update for us? 

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    Tom Wetterwald

    Thanks Rob, I am just interested to know what watches are supposed to be supported? For my Garmin Forerunner 225 (oldie but goldie) KAROO 1 always picked up the heartrate. Could Ali oder Akhil update on the support list of devices for starters?

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    Rob

    Good news: After the most recent update I've been able to connect the Garmin Fenix 5S HR sensor over ANT+ as well as the Magene S3 cadence/speed sensor. 

    Thanks HH!

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