Karoo users look stupid ... without Bluetooth route uploading

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    Pit

    I am using a sim card, so do not have the problem with route syncing. 

    I fully agree though that navigating to cafes/supermarkets etc. is a pain on karoo. I simply do not want to create a new route for that.

    I do not know if a bluetooth connection really solves this problem but I would rather be able to see and search for cafes etc. directly on the karoo. 

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    Gerben van den Oord

    Yup, these scenarios and the battery life on longer rides (200km<) are my biggest gripes with the Karoo 2. If only they would spend development time on that, instead of screwing up the GUI 😜

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    Jarosław Lenik

    I spent years in Garmin ecosystem and they only recently made the functionality available and ONLY to the newest devices (x40 series). For any other you need to stop the activity (or use a hacky app), do the connect sync and only then you'll have the route. This requires internet connection. Good luck doing this in any remote location or in mountains. 

    That said - the BT connection needs to change to accommodate a wider communication spectrum, including routes, live tracking without sim card and the hacky notifications. Wahoo does it really nice, I'd say they are the benchmark, although I love garmin's quick reply system. 

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    Olivier

    Yeah, that's a feature request posted many times and HH never addressed it. Such essential things...

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    Joen Tolgraven

    Or, you know, they create the route on (say) Komoot and instead of antique methods like gpx files over Bluetooth (lol) just share it with you all at which point it instantly syncs over to your HH account and is a button tap away from syncing to Karoo.

    For the second scenario create a new route and search for the address. Ideal? No. But you might want to question whether it really is the Karoo that's making you look stupid...

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    Sander Van de Moortel

    How is the route going to get from Komoot (which by the way is a paid service and really offers little that free and better alternatives like cycle.travel do not) to my Karoo without WiFi? Right, it cannot. So if you're out in the sticks and need to change the route, you're out of luck.

    Nothing about Bluetooth is antique, but I get the feeling you're just being flippant.

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    Olivier

    Bluetooth sync is a must missing from the start. I reckon they won't do it to force you to use their site, maybe because they want our data. I just don't find any other reason why such a key feature is not available.

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    Joen Tolgraven

    Sander: i pay less than $20 a year for a data sim but hotspot is also fine, doesn't take many seconds. Or do you mean when there's no cell signal whatsoever? Touché I suppose, but also niche af...

    I said the combo of raw files and BT was antique. It really is though.

    Komoot is free for a single region fwiw!

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    Olivier

    Then at least they should add a disclaimer: not suited for remote locations and ultra distance cycling. :)

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    Sander Van de Moortel

    Joen, I'm afraid you're missing out on a very large segment of cyclists: those that do mountainbiking, gravel rides and long-distance riding (crossing country borders). Mobile data availability is really not something you want to have to rely on (or pay for) when you're out in the boonies. I mean why not load the maps over WiFi as well and do away with internal storage? Why not slam a cheap phone on my handlebars and use google maps instead?

    Even if data is available, going the extra step of uploading a route from another app via a web page and then downloading it again on another device means relying on the availability of a lot of things. It has already occurred that the hammerhead dashboard was unavailable. Why go the long way when the short way is the most reasonable. Olivier is right: they want your data and I find that horribly unsettling.

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    Andrzej

    @Sander It's not just sending gpx over WiFi. You need to process this gpx into step by step navigation. Hammerhaed uses server with web UI to process gpx. Wahoo uses mobile app to do that. 

    So Hammerhead should build mobile app  if they want to allow sending gpx over Bluetooth. So it's not so simple as you think.

    It's not that they want your data, Wahoo can collect you data through the mobile app. It's just different philosophy.

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    Sander Van de Moortel

    Andrzej, fair point. But I'd already be happy seeing just a trace (what they call breadcrumbs now) instead of turn-by-turn nav. The latter isn't very helpful for off-road riding anyway.

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