Disable rerouting
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The inability to disable automatic rerouting is maddening. Was on a ride today and i missed a turn and didn't notice that I missed it. Next thing I know I'm 5 miles off course and way off my intended route. I don't understand why it's so flipping difficult to just let us disable this.
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As reverse route is not available on the Karoo2 itself, I thought I could just display the route I loaded and ride it the other direction, but the rerouting was that kind of nerving and and annoying, that I paused my ride, created a reverse route in Komoot on my mobile ( cause the reverse route option in the Hammerhead dashboard always modifies the original route (maybe KI thinks to know better what I'm able to ride .. )) exported the gpx file and uploaded it in the dashboard, then created a WLAN Hotspot on my mobile which I then used on the Karoo2 to sync the routes ...
So also from my side, request to toggle between rerouting active/inactive .. switch on switch off
and as already also often requested in other posts ...
rerouting in the dashboard should use the original route and not modify it ... -
Another upvote for disabling rerouting for when I want to detour intentionally but then later rejoin a route on the same ride. Also I want to be able to stop a route but carry on riding - I know you can ‘remove route’ from control centre but will that remove the route totally from my hammerhead dashboard? I don’t want this to happen, I may well want to ride that route again another time.
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@Andrew:
removing a route via Control Center on the K2, is just removing it from the actual ride. You can reload it again later.
Did that pretty often, no routes are deleted.https://support.hammerhead.io/hc/en-us/articles/4411194535835-Karoo-2-Control-Center ( 4th picture ... )
if you have a route added, you then see "remove route"ride on
Henryk -
the rerouting feature needs to be optional sooner than later. I just spent a pretty miserable ride with my wife as we tried to explore some new to us trails in maryland. It kept trying to send us back to the parking lot or find other ways to go because the trails had changed very slightly due to reroutes for trail damage or general changes that trails make. We have similar issues in Bentonville Arkansas where the trails are all very interwoven and it kept rerouting us back to the start or other options. If I'm off the general course all I want to know is where I am and where the planned route is.
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Potentially this 'feature' means my new K2 will be going back to the seller (not even got it yet!) As an MTB rider it sounds like it makes the device unusable. Even my Garmin 530 has the choice to accept or refuse reroutes due to being slightly 'off route' - which seems inevitable for off road riding or imprecisely planned routes.
Does anyone know the 'off route tolerance' - ie how far can you go 'off route' before rerouting triggers? Maps aren't utterly accurate so being 20 metres away from a planned line is pretty common...
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Cheers Lee - I'll give it a go at least. I have OS 25k and 50k maps (Memory Map) on my phone with the route on as well - the reason I have a head unit is that OS maps aren't ideal on the go as there's just too much detail when you just take a glance whilst riding. I got the Garmin to have a much simplified map screen with simple turn prompts etc. The Garmin is just clunky and the K2 looked a more polished concept and execution for that purpose. I don't do Strava or calorie counting etc - I'm a recreational mountain biker who just doesn't want to keep having to stop to get a phone out to look at a map. Equally I don't want sending on wild goose chases just because the trail on the ground is a little out of register with a map (and I work with maps and can confirm registration variations between OS 25k, 50k, Google Earth etc) let alone the vagaries of bridleways etc... We'll see I guess.
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The reroute threshold seems to be somewhere in the 10–20 m range. (Got plenty of test cases for this when the route stays on the road while I’m on the bike path which may disappear into the woods every now and then.)
And yeah, on familiar roads I too rarely bother with routes and just keep the map on screen, or sometimes mainly have one active just to see distance remaining.
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Hi Anna - we seem to be having a conversation in two threads :-)
Thanks for the reroute threshold - useful to know (ie do I open the box when it's delivered, or just click 'return')...
Seems a shame to have an expensive device if the key feature (and I'm not interested in all the analyticals etc) - ie the mapping and routing has to be hobbled because of this. I effectively could strap my phone to the bars and use <pick any mapping app> and have better mapping anyway.
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So yesterday rerouting function causes that I missed some parts of planned route. If it was a Race I would be DSQ. Sometimes rerouting triggers if I just stop and turn back a little to take a photo - then new proposed route can be shorter, avoids part of the planned route. That's not acceptable from me. Bike navigation it's not a car navigation when you want to be at end ASAP. I think Karoo should stick to the planned route for all costs. It shouldn't change my plans when I stop a little off route to buy a snack!
Everything works almost perfect in Karoo but this one function. Just two examples, when planned route goes straight, I was in forest so GPS was bad and then it reroutes mi off my planned course. And even I'm back on original route the red one can stay above and I don't know if I follow with my plan or not.
Please, add an option to disable it. Just leave an arrow when I was last seen on route, and back to navigation when I'm back (like it works right now), without any changes in my plans.
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I think a more useful interaction would be to pop up rerouting option when off-route is detected. It could have various options, like 1. reroute back to nearest point on course, 2. reroute back to course with shortest distance overall, 3. don't reroute but keep course active, 4. remove course
1. could be the default, or the default could be profile specific. And any of the 4 options should be able to be activated at any time from the control center while off-course.
What do people think?
----Saad
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Personally I'd push to keep it simple with a 'disable' function. For some reason, despite the evidence it's a problem there seems a resistance to change it - perhaps for technical reasons. To make things more complex might be allowing perfection to become the enemy of adequate (or progress) and we end up stuck with what's actually quite a big issue for off road use.
For me, a simple OFF button would suffice.
Dave
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Yeah, to me it seems the pop-up with multiple options does not sound like something that would be well aligned with the Hammerhead design philosophy in general. Most of the time you just want to get back on route with as few distractions and detours as possible, and indeed most of the time the rerouting function works pretty well for that (depends on your routes etc., of course).
I still think the most elegant solution would be splitting the command center route button into a pause route and remove route button, the remove route would do what it does now, pause route would keep the route line on the map but disable all other navigation functions (including (re)routing, obviously) while the pause is in effect.
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I'm really at a loss with this - I'm a comparatively new user, but with the history of this and other threads on rerouting, why it doesn't work, why it really doesn't work off road, surely HH cannot claim ignorance? It's tempting to start a new thread with the specific question "Why will HH not explain why they can't either disable the function until it works, or at least make it user selectable". It could be it is technically not possible or not easy - but to just ignore the huge groundswell against this feature is really not acceptable. It might be but for the fact we are beta testing (and financing) a product not yet ready for market (witness the huge number of changes issued which then need further work). Please HH - explain yourself!
I got badly lost in a high mountain environment due to Rerouting not working this weekend - if I'd known about all this I wouldn't have bought into the system, which I thought was a working product not a work in progress...
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